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In prospettiva PSA farebbe segmento anche veicoli di segmento E. Intanto sarà necessaria una forte ristrutturazione della gamma Jaguar, a parte la I Pace tutti i modelli vanno male.


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BMW said it will develop its next-generation electric motors, transmission and power electronics with Jaguar Land Rover, unveiling yet another industry alliance designed to lower the costs of developing electric cars.

"Together, we have the opportunity to cater more effectively for customer needs by shortening development time and bringing vehicles and state-of-the-art technologies more rapidly to market," BMW Group r&d boss Klaus Froehlich said in a statement.

BMW aims to have 12 full-electric models by 2025. Currently the BMW brand's sole battery-powered model is the i3 hatchback. Jaguar Land Rover's first EV is the Jaguar I-Pace.

BMW and Jaguar Land Rover said they will save costs through shared development, production planning and joint purchasing.

A joint team of BMW and Jaguar Land Rover experts located in Munich will be tasked with further developing BMW's fifth -generation eDrive technology that will debut this year on the iX3 battery-powered SUV.

Both companies will produce electric drivetrains in their own manufacturing facilities, BMW said.

Nick Rogers, Jaguar Land Rover's engineering director said: "We've proven we can build world beating electric cars but now we need to scale the technology to support the next generation of Jaguar and Land Rover products."

JLR e BMW svilupperanno insieme pianali per le vetture elettriche.


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MessaggioInviato: mer giu 05, 2019 9:51 am 
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si aggiungerà poi anche mercedes?
o bmw si è "alleata" con JLR proprio per non farlo con mercedes?

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Non si sa con certezza. Secondo Manager Magazin l’accordo per un pianale in comune per un veicolo elettrico da 30.000 euro tra Mercedes e BMW era praticamente pronto.


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Jaguar Land Rover plans to build a new range of electrified cars in the U.K., safeguarding thousands of jobs and providing a boost for a British automotive industry that’s been rocked by job cuts and plant closures.

The move, announced Friday, involves hundreds of millions of pounds in investments. It guarantees the future of the company’s Castle Bromwich plant in central England and comes after JLR committed to offering electrified options of all new models from 2020. The first electric vehicle off the production line will be the ninth generation of Jaguar’s flagship XJ saloon.

Brexit, a slowdown in China and flagging demand for diesel-powered vehicles have taken a toll on JLR, which owns the iconic Jaguar sports-car and Land Rover sport-utility brands. The company, part of India’s Tata Motors Ltd., said in January it would slash 4,500 jobs worldwide to conserve cash, and Tata is exploring options for the business, Bloomberg reported in March.

While contending with the slowdown JLR, like other carmakers, is also navigating a costly transition toward electrification. While the Jaguar I-Pace SUV, its first all-electric car, is being made in Austria, the company is retooling part of its Solihull plant, also in the English Midlands, to make electric versions of Land Rover’s top-end Range Rover models.

More basic autos are being moved to a lower-cost site in Slovakia, which took over production of the Land Rover Discovery last year and will also make the revived version of the brand’s original Defender model. JLR is showcasing that car at the Goodwood Festival of Speed in camouflage disguise and without revealing whether it will come as a hybrid as standard or feature an all-electric variant.

Land Rover Keeps Wraps on New Defender in Goodwood Hill Climb

JLR Chief Executive Officer Ralf Speth said both the Jaguar and Land Rover brands are intrinsically British and that the U.K. also offers a combination design and engineering know-how that makes focusing electric-vehicle production there the logical decision, regardless of any concerns involving Brexit-related uncertainty.

At the same time Speth called on the government and industry to work together to establish giga-scale battery production, saying that’s something no one manufacturer can manage alone.

U.K. Business Secretary Greg Clark called the decision on Castle Bromwich a “vote of confidence” in the U.K. auto sector that would put Britain at the forefront of electric-vehicle technology.

Work will commence this month on facilities and technology that will allow diesel and gasoline vehicles to be produced alongside full electric and hybrid models. So complete will be the transformation that the plant will close and become a building site, Speth said.

JLR in January confirmed plans to locate a new battery assembly center at Hams Hall, close to the two assembly plants. The site will become operational in 2020 with annual capacity for 150,000 units. The company also has an engine factory in nearby Wolverhampton that it says will power the next generation of Jaguar and Land Rover models.

Buona notizia per l’impianto Jaguar di Castle Bromwich, dove sarà prodotta l’erede elettrica della XJ.


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MessaggioInviato: ven lug 19, 2019 8:56 pm 
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The recently agreed alliance between Jaguar Land Rover and BMW is set to be extended to include internal combustion engines, a source with knowledge of recent high-level discussions between the two car makers has told Autocar.

The two firms initially agreed to work together on the development of electrified powertrains, but according to sources they have now agreed terms on what is described as a “more far-reaching deal involving petrol, diesel and hybridised drivelines” for a wide range of models.


According to Autocar’s sources, BMW is to supply Jaguar Land Rover with internal combustion engines, including in-line four- and six-cylinder units “both with and without electrically-assisted hybrid functions”.

The move is said to be aimed at allowing Jaguar Land Rover to reduce its on-going investment in petrol, diesel and hybrid drivelines and instead focus its research and development spending on the electric drivelines in partnership with BMW.

For BMW the deal safeguards existing research and development, procurement and production operations by adding volume beyond its own brands, BMW, Mini and Rolls-Royce.

News of the internal combustion engine deal being forged by Jaguar Land Rover and BMW comes at a time when regulatory authorities in key global markets are raising emission standards with particular focus on CO2 and NOx levels to combat air pollution. Thus raising the level of spending required to engineer petrol, diesel and hybrid drivelines.

By joining forces on both electric and internal combustion engine drivelines, Jaguar Land Rover and BMW hope to reap the rewards of increased economies of scale while sharing development costs to remain competitive.

Last month the two companies announced they would jointly invest in research and development, engineering and procurement of drivelines for volume production electric cars.


Secondo Autocar JLR a breve annuncerà un nuovo accordo con BMW. Gli inglesi compreranno motori diesel e benzina dai bavaresi, dai 4 agli 8 cilindri.


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MessaggioInviato: ven lug 19, 2019 10:56 pm 
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daimlerchrysler ha scritto:
Secondo Autocar JLR a breve annuncerà un nuovo accordo con BMW. Gli inglesi compreranno motori diesel e benzina dai bavaresi, dai 4 agli 8 cilindri.
La serie Ingenium è già morta?


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MessaggioInviato: sab lug 20, 2019 7:58 am 
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L’annuncio non c’è ancora stato, non saprei.
Sicuramente JLR per risollevarsi ha bisogno di costi più bassi.


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MessaggioInviato: mar lug 23, 2019 5:28 pm 
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Dal 2020 la Jaguar lancerà una serie di novità e, tra queste, c’è la grande Suv J-Pace. Ma non solo: forse il Giaguaro amplierà la gamma a ruote alte anche verso il basso, con l’arrivo di una sport utility compatta. Il tutto trapela da un comunicato del World Car of The Year, la cui giuria ha ricevuto un’anteprima dei modelli in uscita dopo capodanno. Nella lista ci sono anche la già annunciata XJ elettrica e una rinnovata F-Type.

Con la Cayenne nel mirino. Le Suv, però, sono l’argomento di più stretta attualità. Perché la J-Pace è davvero alle viste – ve l’avevamo ampiamente anticipata, con tanto di ricostruzione grafica, addirittura sul numero di agosto 2018 – e punta in alto. Con lei, la Jaguar vuole infatti sfidare le migliori del segmento E, compresa la Porsche Cayenne, sua rivale naturale alla luce dell’impronta sportiva che ci si attende dall’inglese. Presumibilmente costruita sulla stessa base della Range Rover ma con una connotazione, a partire dalle linee della carrozzeria, molto differente.

Un’altra baby. La “genetica” ereditata dal ramo Land Rover porterebbe la Jaguar J-Pace a offrire motori a sei e otto cilindri a V, a benzina e gasolio. E soprattutto una variante ibrida plug-in, fondamentale per il futuro. Un futuro che potrebbe regalare alla nuova “ammiraglia” a ruote alte della Casa anche una sorellina. La Jaguar, infatti, non ha escluso la possibilità di aggiungere al listino una (o più) Suv entry-level, più compatte e meno costose della E-Pace, lunga 4,40 metri e venduta in Italia con prezzi a partire da 37.450 euro.



Jaguar ha confermato un suv anti-Cayenne: la J Pace. Potrebbero anche lanciare un suv più piccolo della E-Pace.


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MessaggioInviato: gio ago 01, 2019 12:04 pm 
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he head of Jaguar Land Rover’s parent company is open to the British firm seeking further partnerships with other car makers – saying it is the “only way” to fund the necessary investment in future technologies.

Jaguar Land Rover has suffered heavy losses in recent months due to falling sales, which have also hit the profits of its Indian parent firm Tata Motors. But JLR is facing the need to invest in electric powertrains, autonomous systems and mobility services for the future.

Jaguar Land Rover has agreed a partnership with the BMW Group to jointly develop electrified powertrain components. Autocar has learned that partnership is set to expand to include engine sharing – and, as revealed in this week’s magazine, could lead to select JLR models being built on BMW Group platforms in the future.


Speaking at Tata Motors’ AGM, chairman Natarajan Chandrasekaran said that he was open to more partnerships in the future.

“Like any other auto company, JLR has to invest in future technologies to address the move away from [internal combustion engines] to hybrid and electric,” he said. “It also has to invest in future models, make necessary investments in areas like shared mobility, and also beyond that. That's very important to stay alive in this ecosystem.

"All this means is there is a need for capital investment if you want to be future-ready. The only way to handle this need for [capital investment] is additional investment through partnerships, because we want to spread the investment. There are many discussions underway, from tactical to strategic.”

Asked about future partnership opportunities, Chandrasekaran added: “These opportunities keep coming and we keep evaluating every one of these opportunities and as long as it is in the interest of Tata Motors, we will forge such partnerships so that we are able to address the capex.”


È la stessa Tata Motors che ammette che JLR ha bisogno di alleanze per sopravvivere. Secondo Autocar l’alleanza con BMW riguarderà anche le piattaforme oltre a componenti elettrici e motori. Si sta allontanando la prospettiva di un’acquisizione da parte di PSA?


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MessaggioInviato: gio ago 01, 2019 2:57 pm 
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Ma non possono investire in corsi di estetica, costumi ed eleganza nelle scuole cinesi? Darebbero occupazione a fior di docenti, istruirebbero quei bifolchi a non comprarsi gli X7 e salveremmo un sacco di marchi di auto (e non) un tempo prestigiosi.

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Jaguar is plotting two small crossovers to grow its SUV family as it looks to bolster waning sales – and they could ultimately be built on BMW platforms as part of increasing ties between the two firms.

The deal between the two companies, which started with joint work on electric drive unit (EDU) development, also opens up the prospect of the introduction of a new entry-level Land Rover model alongside next-generation versions of the recently replaced Range Rover Evoque and Land Rover Discovery Sport built off the BMW architecture.

The blossoming alliance between Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) and BMW has already expanded. Autocar sources have recently revealed that the German car maker is set to supply JLR with four and six-cylinder internal combustion engines in both standard and hybrid form.

That move to sharing engines has now opened the real possibility that JLR and BMW are aligning themselves to take a much bigger step: sharing an advanced small car platform.



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A pair of super-economical baby Jaguars – already in the early stages of development pending a green light for production in the middle of the next decade – could now be based on BMW’s new FAAR platform for front-wheel-drive models.

The two new models are expected to be a small SUV and a similarly sized coupé crossover and they are likely to carry the ‘Pace’ name as part of the firm’s SUV family.

In addition, the next-generation Range Rover Evoque and Land Rover Discovery Sport models, which are due in the second half of the next decade, could be sibling vehicles to the next-generation Mini Countryman and BMW X1 models in a further deepening of the alliance.

An expansion into platform sharing also opens the way for JLR to build the long-rumoured entry-level Land Rover model, which, as Autocar revealed early last year, could revive the Freelander name.

The BMW deal

Meeting challenging EU CO2 fleet regulations by 2025 is a race against time for JLR. The company is hampered by a collapsing market in China as well as massive investments in the new MLA architecture for its larger models, factory refits and the launch of a number of new models. The firm lost £395 million in the last financial quarter but believes those new models will boost fortunes. These include the reborn Land Rover Defender, electric Jaguar XJ, fifth-gen Range Rover, new Jaguar J-Pace SUV, and a new electric Range Rover crossover.

Jaguar Land Rover's survival bid: five new cars in two years

The engine collaboration came hot on the heels of the surprise announcement in June about plans for JLR and BMW to co-operate on the development of powertrains for future pure-electric and electrified vehicles.

When that deal was announced, Nick Rogers, JLR’s engineering chief, said: “It was clear from discussions with BMW Group that both companies’ requirements for next-generation EDUs to support this transition have significant overlap, making for a mutually beneficial collaboration.”

The enforced move towards electrification is proving extremely expensive for even the most profitable of car makers. Even Mercedes-Benz is seeing premium profit margins vanish because of the cost of new platforms and electrification.

Autocar’s source claimed that the latest move beyond EDUs and into sharing engines is intended to allow JLR to reduce its investment in its own Ingenium engine range. That would then allow the company to re-allocate resources to the huge costs involved in what JLR calls ‘ACES’ (autonomous, connected, electric, shared) technology for future vehicles.

In truth, most models bigger than a city car will probably have to be plug-in hybrids to meet the 2025 and 2030 EU emissions regulations – and that’s why the prospect of JLR sharing the new BMW FAAR platform is now on the agenda.

The FAAR platform

BMW’s FAAR architecture, seen most recently on the new BMW 1 Series, has been designed to accommodate petrol, hybrid and full-electric powertrains.

The FAAR transverse-engined architecture will in time underpin all front-wheel-drive BMW models and Mini’s entire range. Using it would dig JLR out of a significant future hole caused by the lack of a modern, compact, hybrid platform for 2025 and beyond.


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Adding JLR’s current small and medium volumes of 250,000 to BMW’s 850,000 or so production of front-drive vehicles will be seen as a handy boost. It would also integrate FAAR family production at BMW’s Oxford plant and JLR’s Halewood facility, which would be backed up by engine and battery production at Hams Hall and electric motor production in Wolverhampton.

With the addition of two small Jaguars and a baby Land Rover, FAAR platform volumes could approach 1.5 million annually by 2025.

The FAAR architecture looks like a good fit for JLR because it is expected to span cars sized between 4.2m and 4.6m in length. Smaller FAAR-based cars are unlikely because the need to package batteries in the new models means there’s a minimum length for the architecture.

For example, today’s Discovery Sport (4.6m) is almost the same length as the current BMW 2 Series Grand Tourer. A Mini Countryman is 4.3m long and a Range Rover Evoque 4.37m.

The recently launched second-generation Evoque and updated Discovery Sport are both built on JLR’s Premium Transverse Architecture, which, even though it has been developed to accommodate electrified powertrains, is still an updated version of an older platform. Using BMW’s more modern FAAR platform would potentially offer great economies of scale, reducing production costs.

The new models

Although details are very thin on the ground, the new baby Land Rover is likely to be an urban-focused – although still highly capable – compact off-roader inspired by the looks of the new Defender. This potentially Freelander-badged car would be able to trace its roots back to the DC100 concept of 2011, which found favour for its fun, compact design but not as a replacement for the Defender, as it was originally intended.





The two Jaguars are also likely to be crossovers, one more coupé-like than the other and both sold as part of the Pace SUV family. Inspiration for the lower-roofed new Jaguar might come from the 2003 R-D6 hatchback concept, the first Jaguar design of ex-design boss Ian Callum. The names A-Pace, B-Pace, C-Pace and D-Pace are all available to Jaguar.

All three potential models are expected to be priced from around £24,000 and all will be hybrid. Most of the variants will use plug-in technology as part of the move to reduce JLR’s fleet CO2.

The key date for the three new vehicles – as well as the third-generation Evoque and Discovery Sport – will be 2025, when the next round of strict and rigorously enforced EU fleet CO2 regulations come into force.

Stricter emissions rules

At the moment, JLR has a derogation from meeting next year’s 95g/km CO2 EU fleet target, but by 2025, it is likely to be required not only to reduce the average CO2 output of its vehicles to just 80g/km but also ensure that around 15% of its annual output are pure-electric or long-distance plug-in vehicles.

If that sounds difficult, from 1 June 2021, the European Commission also intends to use real-world information to monitor actual fuel and energy use. Makers will be expected to supply a model’s VIN details, data on fuel or electrical energy used and the total distance travelled. The EU plans to use the VIN and real-world CO2 emissions to produce a running report of each manufacturer’s compliance every October.

By comparing the EU CO2 requirement of each maker with the real-world CO2 usage of its vehicles, the EU intends to put significant pressure on car makers to cut energy use. This might prompt car manufacturers to work on methods of restraining driver behaviour in ways that reduce fuel consumption.

It’s clear this potential JLR and BMW alliance is a product of the immense pressure being placed on all manufacturers by European law makers. But JLR and BMW will be the first of many deep technological alliances driven by CO2 laws.

JLR cars that could use BMW platforms

Jaguar’s small SUV

Shorter and lower than today’s E-Pace (which is heading towards becoming Jaguar’s current best-seller), the baby SUV will be more modern and sophisticated in its styling than the entry-level Land Rover, with strong shades of the I-Pace to its appearance and feel.

Jaguar’s small crossover coupé

Potentially a curvaceous cousin to the BMW X2, a truly small upmarket Jaguar five-door could tap into the female market. Like Aston Martin, Jaguar has the eye of female buyers but has rarely served up properly targeted vehicles.





Land Rover 80

A compact entry-level Land Rover, priced from around £24,000, will be launched as a stylish family-friendly five-door, with expressive styling inspired by the original 1948 Land Rover and the new Defender. Potentially a big seller, it could take the Freelander name.

Range Rover Evoque

The second-gen Evoque, launched earlier this year, uses JLR’s latest PTA platform, but switching to a BMW architecture for the third-gen version in late 2020s could lower production costs and make it easier to fit new JLR/BMW-developed electric powertrains.

Land Rover Discovery Sport

The facelifted version of the current model went on sale earlier this year, suggesting the next-gen version will arrive some time around 2025. With a likely need for heavily electrified versions, it would also make sense for JLR to consider a BMW platform.

Notiziona da Autocar: già adesso BMW e JLR cooperano su componenti di veicoli elettrici, si è già parlato della possibile fornitura di motori bavaresi a JLR (dai 4 agli 8 cilindri) ma secondo la rivista britannica JLR avrebbe ottenuto la piattaforma FAAR della BMW. Con questa base Jaguar svilupperebbe 2 crossover al di sotto della E Pace mentre Land Rover otterrebbe una mini Defender sui 4,2 Mt. In più le future E Pace, Evoque e Discobery Sport utilizzerebbero tutte pianali BMW. In pratica JLR diventerebbe una dependance di Monaco. A tal punto un’acquisizione da parte di PSA avrebbe poco senso e i colloqui tra Daimler e BMW per una piattaforma in comune per le compatte fallirebbe immediatamente. I tempi dell’annuncio non saranno comunque brevi.


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Praticamente dopo essere uscita dalla porta Bmw rientrerebbe dalla finestra ...


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MessaggioInviato: lun ago 12, 2019 2:13 pm 
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Però BMW non ha mai posseduto Jaguar. C'è da chiedersi se BMW o Daimler avranno la forza di sfruttare la crisi per crescere mediante acquisizioni.
Se il piano descritto da Autocar va in porto il 70% della produzione JLR sfrutterà motori, pianale o componenti made in Bavaria. Non è un'alleanza da cui si uscirebbe facilmente.


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