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https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/jaguar/xj ... ast-minute

La XJ, già pronta, è stata cancellata. Idea non brillante.


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MessaggioInviato: lun feb 15, 2021 8:28 pm 
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La XJ, già pronta, è stata cancellata. Idea non brillante.
Quanti soldi di investimento buttati giù dallo sciacquone? :roll:


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https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/jaguar/xj/107334/electric-jaguar-xj-plans-axed-last-minute

La XJ, già pronta, è stata cancellata. Idea non brillante.


Ero dispiaciuto. Poi: sticazzi, tanto sarebbe stata elettrica.

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MessaggioInviato: mar feb 16, 2021 6:07 am 
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Stranamente la XJ doveva essere presentata lo scorso autunno, era quindi più che pronta.
E’ un investimento che sicuramente deve essere sicuramente stralciato.


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Stranamente la XJ doveva essere presentata lo scorso autunno, era quindi più che pronta.
E’ un investimento che sicuramente deve essere sicuramente stralciato.

Non capisco neanche io, era già pronta e già elettrica e poi mi pare che nell'intervista dicono che una xj ci sarà mah.

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The plans for Jaguar are more complex - and require a reversal of a long-term project to develop the next-generation all-electric XJ flagship limousine. That car was expected to make its debut this year, but has now been scrapped.

The statement said, “By the middle of the decade, Jaguar will have undergone a renaissance to emerge as a pure-electric luxury brand with a dramatically beautiful new portfolio of emotionally engaging designs and pioneering next-generation technologies. Jaguar will exist to make life extraordinary by creating dramatically beautiful automotive experiences that leave its customers feeling unique and rewarded.

“Although the nameplate may be retained, the planned Jaguar XJ replacement will not form part of the line-up, as the brand looks to realise its unique potential.”


La XJ e´stata cancellata, non JLR non dice che ci sara´un´erede. Forse in futuro il nome sara´utilizzato.


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Is Tata Motors preparing to sell its troubled Jaguar brand while keep its more successful sibling, Land Rover?

A number of question marks surrounding the presentation of JLR's future strategy suggest that might be the case.

JLR CEO Thierry Bollore plans to make Jaguar a full-electric brand by 2025. Its model range will be much reduced, with no plans to replace Jaguar's current SUVs like the F-Pace or its current sedans.

JLR will "completely reposition the Jaguar brand," Bolllore told reporters in an online conference on Feb. 15. "This is the renaissance of Jaguar," he said.

So complete will Jaguar's separation be from the Land Rover brand that future cars will use a separate electric platform. The reason is to give the two brands clear positioning, moving Jaguar well away from Land Rover’s core products, Bollore said. 

"The SUV will be Land Rover," he said. "Jaguar will be different from the SUVs."

There could be another motivation: Tata and JLR may be splitting the two brands with a view to selling Jaguar. Building Jaguars on a separate platform from Land Rover would make the sale a lot easier in terms of intellectual property. 

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Under previous CEO Ralf Speth, JLR had intended for Jaguar to use the same electrified Modular Longitudinal Platform, or MLA, as Land Rover. The platform was supposed to debut last year with an electric XJ sedan designed by Ian Callum. But it was delayed during the COVID-19 pandemic Bollore said he has now axed the car. 

The reason he gave was that the large sedan "was not fitting with the new positioning" of Jaguar as the epitome of modern luxury. It could also be that JLR could not conceive of selling Jaguar when its newest model was sitting on the platform that will underpin Land Rover’s core models for years to come, starting with the new Range Rover.

Jaguar's full-electric I-Pace SUV already sits on a bespoke platform, but the extruded aluminum structure is expensive and was not intended for expansion into other models.

Bollore spoke about an all-new platform, which will not be decided upon until JLR’s design team, led by Gerry McGovern, comes up with fresh designs. 

"Everyone knows the proportions are massively important, and we will pair these great designs with a platform once we have the designs," Bollore said. The designs were "not far from ready," he said.

The cost of developing another EV platform alongside MLA and the newly announced EMA (Electric Modular Architecture) for smaller Land Rovers could be prohibitive, given JLR's recent commitment to cutting costs to become sustainably profitable.

Instead, JLR might prefer to buy in an EV platform from someone like Magna International, the supplier that already builds the I-Pace at its Magna Steyr contract manufacturing plant in Austria. JLR could do that and keep Jaguar, but it would also make selling the brand a lot easier.

Although Jaguar accounts for a small proportion of JLR's vehicle sales, there would probably be no shortage of buyers.

JLR sold 425,974 vehicles globally last year, it said on Jan. 11, up 24 percent on the year before. Of those sales, 323,480 were Land Rovers, up 18 percent, and 102,494 were Jaguar models, up 37 percent.

Brands with a rich heritage like Jaguar are still highly sought after, especially in China. For example, Geely bought UK niche sports-car maker Lotus in 2017. 

A full-electric successor to the current Jaguar XJ sedan, shown, has been scrapped.

Valuable assets

Jaguar its still relevant. There might not be much interest in its sedans, but the I-Pace has helped to position Jaguar as an EV-forward brand. 

JLR could include its Castle Bromwich plant in a sales. The factory currently makes Jaguar sedans but is unlikely to continue as a vehicle manufacturing plant in the future, Bollore said.

Both Ford Motor and JLR current owner Tata Motor have struggled to make Jaguar profitable but the brand could still be a valuable asset to sell. 

Fleshing out Bollore’s vision of Jaguar as an icon of modern luxury – complete with its own EV platform and portfolio of designs -- could be the ideal prospectus to pitch to a new owner


Si addensano nuvoloni pesanti sul futuro di Jaguar.
Oltre a digerire la cancellazione di Jaguar viene allo scoperto il mancato rinnovo della F Pace e della XE. Entro il 2025 Jaguar avrà in gamma al massimo 2 berline elettriche e niente altro. Il pianale sarà distinto da quelli di Land Rover. In pratica un'eutanasia programmata. La situazione debitoria di JLR rimane molto critica, o Tata rifinanzia il gruppo o lo deve cedere.


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MessaggioInviato: gio feb 18, 2021 2:25 pm 
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Me la vedo dura per Jag fare l’anti Tesla europea (variante inglese :ridi )


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Is Tata Motors preparing to sell its troubled Jaguar brand while keep its more successful sibling, Land Rover?

A number of question marks surrounding the presentation of JLR's future strategy suggest that might be the case.

JLR CEO Thierry Bollore plans to make Jaguar a full-electric brand by 2025. Its model range will be much reduced, with no plans to replace Jaguar's current SUVs like the F-Pace or its current sedans.

JLR will "completely reposition the Jaguar brand," Bolllore told reporters in an online conference on Feb. 15. "This is the renaissance of Jaguar," he said.

So complete will Jaguar's separation be from the Land Rover brand that future cars will use a separate electric platform. The reason is to give the two brands clear positioning, moving Jaguar well away from Land Rover’s core products, Bollore said. 

"The SUV will be Land Rover," he said. "Jaguar will be different from the SUVs."

There could be another motivation: Tata and JLR may be splitting the two brands with a view to selling Jaguar. Building Jaguars on a separate platform from Land Rover would make the sale a lot easier in terms of intellectual property. 

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Under previous CEO Ralf Speth, JLR had intended for Jaguar to use the same electrified Modular Longitudinal Platform, or MLA, as Land Rover. The platform was supposed to debut last year with an electric XJ sedan designed by Ian Callum. But it was delayed during the COVID-19 pandemic Bollore said he has now axed the car. 

The reason he gave was that the large sedan "was not fitting with the new positioning" of Jaguar as the epitome of modern luxury. It could also be that JLR could not conceive of selling Jaguar when its newest model was sitting on the platform that will underpin Land Rover’s core models for years to come, starting with the new Range Rover.

Jaguar's full-electric I-Pace SUV already sits on a bespoke platform, but the extruded aluminum structure is expensive and was not intended for expansion into other models.

Bollore spoke about an all-new platform, which will not be decided upon until JLR’s design team, led by Gerry McGovern, comes up with fresh designs. 

"Everyone knows the proportions are massively important, and we will pair these great designs with a platform once we have the designs," Bollore said. The designs were "not far from ready," he said.

The cost of developing another EV platform alongside MLA and the newly announced EMA (Electric Modular Architecture) for smaller Land Rovers could be prohibitive, given JLR's recent commitment to cutting costs to become sustainably profitable.

Instead, JLR might prefer to buy in an EV platform from someone like Magna International, the supplier that already builds the I-Pace at its Magna Steyr contract manufacturing plant in Austria. JLR could do that and keep Jaguar, but it would also make selling the brand a lot easier.

Although Jaguar accounts for a small proportion of JLR's vehicle sales, there would probably be no shortage of buyers.

JLR sold 425,974 vehicles globally last year, it said on Jan. 11, up 24 percent on the year before. Of those sales, 323,480 were Land Rovers, up 18 percent, and 102,494 were Jaguar models, up 37 percent.

Brands with a rich heritage like Jaguar are still highly sought after, especially in China. For example, Geely bought UK niche sports-car maker Lotus in 2017. 

A full-electric successor to the current Jaguar XJ sedan, shown, has been scrapped.

Valuable assets

Jaguar its still relevant. There might not be much interest in its sedans, but the I-Pace has helped to position Jaguar as an EV-forward brand. 

JLR could include its Castle Bromwich plant in a sales. The factory currently makes Jaguar sedans but is unlikely to continue as a vehicle manufacturing plant in the future, Bollore said.

Both Ford Motor and JLR current owner Tata Motor have struggled to make Jaguar profitable but the brand could still be a valuable asset to sell. 

Fleshing out Bollore’s vision of Jaguar as an icon of modern luxury – complete with its own EV platform and portfolio of designs -- could be the ideal prospectus to pitch to a new owner


Si addensano nuvoloni pesanti sul futuro di Jaguar.
Oltre a digerire la cancellazione di Jaguar viene allo scoperto il mancato rinnovo della F Pace e della XE. Entro il 2025 Jaguar avrà in gamma al massimo 2 berline elettriche e niente altro. Il pianale sarà distinto da quelli di Land Rover. In pratica un'eutanasia programmata. La situazione debitoria di JLR rimane molto critica, o Tata rifinanzia il gruppo o lo deve cedere.

Eppure modelli validi tutto sommato ne hanno.
Forse soffrono il fatto che se uno vuole un suv inglese si prende un Range Rover, se uno vuole una wagon la prende tedesca, e le berline non le vuole più nessuno.

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MessaggioInviato: gio feb 18, 2021 9:49 pm 
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Saranno anche validi ma vendono pochissimo.
Nel topic sulle vendite delle varie case nel 2020 c’era un grafico su Jaguar, nessuno dei modelli della casa supera le 30.000 unità all’anno. Le berline sono una catastrofe ma neanche i suv sono andati bene. Giustamente il nuovo CEO Bollorè si è chiesto come potesse andare avanti una tale situazione.
La bomba ad orologeria è la situazione debitoria, già nel 2018 JLR ha dovuto emettere bond ad alto rendimento, quando crollano i ricavi mentre devi aumentare gli investimenti la situazione diventa veramente dura.


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MessaggioInviato: gio feb 18, 2021 10:55 pm 
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C'è da dire che la XE non si guarda al buio


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C'è da dire che la XE non si guarda al buio


Più banale con un posteriore imperdonabile, direi.

Poi hanno sviluppato una costosa piattaforma in lega leggera che pesa di più di una in acciaio (della concorrenza).

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MessaggioInviato: ven feb 19, 2021 10:45 am 
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A parte i fari posteriori sinceramente preferisco la vista di fiancata di xe a giulia.
Si nonostante il telaio, prestazioni e anche consumi molto deludenti condivise con land/range ma li conta molto meno.
Sicuramente sono messi in ombra dai range, ma A livello puramente estetico trovo riusciti, più di alcune tedesche di monaco, i 2 suv jag e anche il crossover elettrico, ma alla fine sono flop anche quelli.
Magari almeno su e-pace, vecchio telaio di derivazione ford, potevano puntare di più su prezzi un po' più bassi.

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MessaggioInviato: ven feb 19, 2021 12:40 pm 
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A me la XE mette addosso una tristezza incredibile.

La X-Type, pur essendo basata sulla Mondeo, paradossalmente la trovavo migliore come idea di auto

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MessaggioInviato: ven feb 19, 2021 1:47 pm 
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Poi ok che fino a 2/3 anni fa la radica era passata di moda, ma gli interni delle ultime jag non hanno nula di british

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Eppure modelli validi tutto sommato ne hanno.
Forse soffrono il fatto che se uno vuole un suv inglese si prende un Range Rover, se uno vuole una wagon la prende tedesca, e le berline non le vuole più nessuno.


Imho, nel tentativo di vendere più esemplari, con gli anni hanno abbassato il target ad incrociarsi con Audi.. (ricordare la Mondeo vestita a festa?) per cui non c'è più la percezione del lusso. Nel frattempo il mondo è cambiato e nessuno compra più auto sportive tranne Ferrari, Porsche o Mercedes.

Sono rimasti in un mercato che semplicemente non esiste più e la suvvizzazione ovviamente non ha funzionato, anche perchè il design.. :roll:

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MessaggioInviato: sab feb 20, 2021 7:20 pm 
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Il problema principale di JLR è la mancanza di volumi.
Il gruppo britannico fa parte di Tata motors che è per gli standard automobilistici molto piccola.
In pochi anni hanno aumentato a dismisura la gamma, Jaguar ha 3 berline e 3 suv, Land Rover 7 suv.
Hanno cercato un’espansione molto rapida e oggettivamente gli è andata male.
Tutti gli analisti sanno che Land Rover ha un futuro, Jaguar molto di meno.
Il sospetto è che si stia cercando di separare i brand per sbarazzarsi di Jaguar.
Vedremo, intanto l’alleanza tecnica tra gli inglesi e BMW è molto forte, qualcuno ipotizza che potrebbero finire nell’orbita di Monaco di Baviera.
Arndt Ellinghorst al contrario vede Mercedes benz (n.b. entro novembre la divisione auto sarà staccata dalla divisione Trucks) in pole position per possibili acquisizioni.


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Bollore's plan: Solve Jaguar's identity crisis
Smaller lineup, clearer differentiation part of JLR strategy for electric future

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The battery-powered I-Pace crossover has been a hit-or-miss vehicle for Jaguar in different parts of the U.S.

Thierry Bollore, the former Renault CEO who took the wheel at Jaguar Land Rover in September, last week ripped the covers off his new global strategy. If his plan is successful, JLR will shrink and grow at the same time — and build a stronger identity for troubled Jaguar.

The shrinkage will come from fewer nameplates and lower volume for Jaguar. JLR is abandoning its goal of 1 million global sales per year, a strategy put in place by Bollore's predecessor, Ralf Speth, who stepped down last fall from the CEO role and now is nonexecutive vice chairman. The company also announced last week that it is shrinking its global salaried work force by 2,000 employees.

JLR's growth will come in efficiencies gained from producing its vehicles on fewer architectures and deriving more revenue per vehicle by selling connected services and from subscriptions. "As a business we will be focused on value creation, on delivering quality and profits over volume," Bolllore said as he laid out his "Reimagine" strategy aimed at steering JLR into the zero-emissions era.

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Bollore: Jaguar, Land Rover to have unique architectures, personalities
JLR will build vehicles on three platforms, down from six today.

Here is the gist of Bollore's plan:

Land Rover: Two platforms will underpin the Defender, Discovery and Range Rover family of models. Both platforms, MLA and EMA, will be able to accommodate hybrids or full-electric vehicles. Bollore said Land Rover will offer six battery-electric SUVs by 2026, more electric off-road vehicles than any other automaker.
Jaguar: This is the last gasp for Jaguar as we know it. There will be no new vehicles added to its lineup until 2025. That is when it will morph into an EV-only brand with perhaps just two or three nameplates, all riding on a Jaguar-exclusive platform. The plan, according to one JLR insider, is to take the brand far upmarket,perhaps just shy of Bentley and Aston Martin pricing with gorgeous vehicles that sell at full price or close to it.
Jaguar's dedicated platform will help achieve a core goal of Bollore's plan: to end the overlap between today's Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles that share powertrains, architectures and technologies.

Said Bollore: "Built on separate architectures, Jaguar and Land Rover will have two clear, unique personalities, personalities rooted in their emotionally rich histories. Designed to give us two distinct choices of modern luxury for our customers."


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He also said the electric XJ sedan, which was set to debut next year, has been canceled. In addition, Automotive News has learned that the J-Pace three-row utility will not be built.

While Jaguar will have a zero-emissions lineup, Land Rover's rugged off-road vehicles will continue to offer gasoline engines. By 2030, Land Rover aims to achieve 60 percent emissions-free vehicles. Bollore said JLR will phase out diesel engines by 2026. Bollore also said JLR will develop hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, part of a $3.4 billion yearly investment in future technologies.

Pillars: Design, quality
In Bollore's presentation, viewed by JLR employees, dealers and media, he said the company will take full advantage of the resources of Tata Group, the Indian multinational conglomerate that is JLR's parent company.

"As a proud member of that Tata ecosystem, with its industrial strength and worldwide standing, we have something truly unique at Jaguar Land Rover, truly unique in the automotive industry, and now is the time to realize its potential," Bollore said, citing Tata Group's expertise in energy, data, communications and software.

"We have all the ingredients to define what modern luxury means in the world of tomorrow."


McGovern: New designs crucial
Gerry McGovern, JLR's chief creative officer, is perhaps the one person who will face even more pressure than Bollore in executing the new strategy. Bollore is banking on McGovern, who oversees design for both brands, to create a new design language for Jaguar that rekindles the passion generated by such classics as the E-Type sports car, the XJ6 sedan and the original 1960s S-Type, one of the first true compact sports sedans.

For the unflappable McGovern, such a tough assignment is likely just another day at the office. His revamped Land Rover Defender has received wide acclaim, and his next pressure-filled debut, the fifth-generation Range Rover coming next year, has been given a thumbs-up by dealers who have previewed it.

Bollore seems eager to tackle a long-standing issue at JLR: vehicle quality. He mentioned the word at least five times in his presentation.

Future Jags a mystery
Bollore, in answering a reporter's question, said Jaguar would be moving away from SUVs. That has dealers wondering about Jaguar's 2025 EV lineup. Since sedans, wagons and sports cars aren't selling and Jaguar won't have SUVs and crossovers, what's left?

Jaguar Land Rover's North American boss, Joe Eberhardt, last week held a conference call with dealers who are wondering — and worrying — about Jaguar's future.

The battery-powered Jaguar I-Pace crossover has been a hit-or-miss vehicle. It does OK in regions such as California and Florida and a few East Coast cities but has virtually no demand at other many other stores.

The dealers received no specific details about Jaguar's 2025 lineup.

Two Jaguar dealers who spoke with Automotive News on condition of anonymity came away with different interpretations of Bollore's presentation. One believes the plan signals the end of the road for Jaguar — whose U.S. sales in pandemic-stricken 2020 were about a third of their peak of 61,204 in 2002 — while the other thinks the new direction will succeed.

Says JLR spokesman Stuart Schorr: "By the middle of the decade, Jaguar will have undergone a renaissance to emerge as a pure-electric luxury brand with a dramatically beautiful new portfolio of emotionally engaging designs and pioneering next-generation technologies.

"For Jaguar, we will now continue to work, including with our retailers, to fully prepare for that next generation of the brand, while we also go to market with the current new Jaguar lineup to 2025."

Farrar Vaughan, president of Jaguar Land Rover Bluff City in Memphis, Tenn., is cautiously optimistic. "I think with Gerry McGovern being in charge of the Jaguar brand, it's a really good thing, and we'll see something really outside the box, something really dramatic. That's what I hope.


Automotive news analizza la nuova strategia di JLR e per il giaguaro la situazione è più che desolante.
Vengono cancellate la XJ e la J Pace.
Non ci sarà alcun nuovo modello fino al 2025 quando ci saranno 2 o 3 berline elettriche. Se non è eutanasia questa...
C’è la speranza di elevare il brand al livello di Aston Martin e Bentley.
Se domani......

Jaguar: This is the last gasp for Jaguar as we know it. There will be no new vehicles added to its lineup until 2025. That is when it will morph into an EV-only brand with perhaps just two or three nameplates, all riding on a Jaguar-exclusive platform. The plan, according to one JLR insider, is to take the brand far upmarket,perhaps just shy of Bentley and Aston Martin pricing with gorgeous vehicles that sell at full price or close to it.


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Jaguar Land Rover will look outside the company to find a platform for new full-electric Jaguar models, CEO Thierry Bollore said.

The UK automaker plans to make its Jaguar brand all-electric starting in 2025, dropping combustion engines as the marque’s sedans and crossovers reach the end of their life cycles. Land Rover will get its first battery-powered vehicle in 2024 but will not be electric-only in the new future.

The plan includes giving Jaguar its own standalone electric platform, which would be expensive to produce in-house for a brand that is expected to remain low-volume, below even the 103,000 vehicles it sold worldwide last year.

Bollore said the automaker has started the process to find a company willing to partner with Jaguar on the architecture. “Naturally there is massive appetite to work with us,” he told financial analysts during an investor day on Friday.

The decision to work with a partner “was a matter of scale and speed to go to market,” Bollore said.

He said the company was talking “with a selection of actors,” without going into detail.

Automakers are increasingly looking outside their company for platforms to increase scale and reduce development costs. Ford Motor, for example, will use Volkswagen Group’s MEB electric-only platform to develop its first Europe-focused battery-powered car, due in 2023.


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The choice of partner and platform will be partly dictated by the designs being drawn up by JLR’s head of design, Gerry McGovern. “It has to respect the proportion of the designs,” Bollore said.

McGovern is being given a high level of freedom to decide what type of car the new models will be, and the new architecture will have to fit in with this. “Great design begins with volume of proportions and clearly Jaguars will have quite significant different volumes of proportion compared to Land Rovers,” McGovern said on the investor call.

“Therefore, we need to look for opportunities out there in terms of architectures that we could utilize or refine to give the stunning jaw-dropping Jaguars I’m talking about,” he said.

Bollore said that if the company was unsuccessful in finding the right supplier, it was prepared to develop an architecture in-house. “It may be that we develop platform internally, but it has to be design led,” Bollore said. “There is no point doing what we are doing with Jaguar unless these products are drop dead gorgeous.”

McGovern said future Jaguar designs need to be “absolutely modern and contemporary.”

“They shouldn’t be retrospective at all and shouldn’t emulate anyone,” he said.

JLR has scrapped an all-electric Jaguar XJ that was being developed the company’s new MLA electrified architecture. That architecture will now be solely be used for Land Rovers, beginning with the new Range Rover that’s due to launch in the next 12-18 months.

Non solo Bollorè ha cancellato diversi modelli Jaguar pronti ad essere lanciati, la stessa piattaforma esclusiva per Jaguar (che dovrebbe diventare come Aston Martin ricordiamoci) non verrà sviluppata dagli inglesi, bensì comprata da altri.
Chi crede alla sopravvivenza di Jaguar è veramente un sognatore.


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I problemi di affidabilità gli costano 100mila vendite l'anno. Secondo me è ottimista per non spaventare.

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Effettivamente fuori dai conce della triade ma anche volvo si vedono non poche land/range usate anche abbastanza recenti. Aldilà dell'occhiometro ho sentito per land/renge non solo problemi di affidabilità ma anche di assistenza dei conce.
Sicuramente, anche anticovid, non crescevano più ad esempio velar non ha fatto boom, però le loro auto sono sempre molto appetibili e di immagine forse ancor più per utenza da usato/privato, infatti i prezzi sono alti, che non da "nuovo/rent"

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