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MessaggioInviato: mer lug 27, 2016 4:10 pm 
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Nell'ambito della presentazione dei risultati semestrali per la prima metà del 2016 Marchionne ha detto che l'accordo con un partner per le prossime Dart e 200 è vicino.


Il Padreterno? Non vedo chi altri potrebbe garantire un po' di successo a quelle due vetture


in realtà è un segmento che fa numeri enormi per tutti, tranne FCA a quanto pare.
i jappi (e vw pre DG) facevano numeri rilevanti.

mi chiedo sia così disperato da fare una partnership su quel segmento...

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MessaggioInviato: mer lug 27, 2016 5:16 pm 
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* company must rework relationship with U.S. worker union UAW in order to continue to make vehicles in the United States in future

* it would be very difficult for group to justify investment in U.S. plants in future without reworking of UAW union relationship

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prego?



Niente di nuovo, vogliono tagliare i costi. Negli ultimi 2 anni Marchionne si è preso a cornate con il CAW e lo stato canadese e ne è uscito con le ossa rotte, adesso ha l'occasione di vendicarsi e potrebbe chiudere l'impianto di Brampton. Negli Stati Uniti vuole bloccare gli aumenti di stipendio dei salariati.


Per quanto riguarda le future Dart e 200 FCA le deve avere nella gamma per non incorrere nelle multe del CAFE ma non devono essere dei successi. Nel secondo trimestre la casa italoamericana ha registrato un risultato operativo in Nordamerica del 7,7%, niente male ma GM raggiunge il 12,1%.
Se FCA riuscisse a focalizzarsi solo sui trucks ( più redditizi) potrebbe ridurre il gap.


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Fiat Chrysler will refresh and stick with its stable of large cars until at least 2020, two sources told Automotive News.

The Dodge Challenger coupe and Dodge Charger and Chrysler 300 sedans won't be redesigned onto the automaker's new Giorgio platform until the 2021 model year, when FCA is likely to discontinue production of one of the large sedans, according to one internal FCA source and one at an FCA supplier.

Information from those sources confirms vague details released in a contract highlighter sent to union members that explained the company's new four-year labor contract with the Canadian auto workers union Unifor.

The agreement, ratified by Unifor members last month, calls for FCA to invest $325 million Canadian ($242 million U.S.) in the Brampton, Ontario, plant to rebuild its antiquated paint shop. Construction is to begin in the summer of 2017, according to the contract highlighter from union President Jerry Dias.

The Giorgio platform underpins the new Alfa Romeo Giulia, which is due to go on sale in North America by the end of the year.

On the company's third-quarter conference call with analysts late last month, FCA CEO Sergio Marchionne said he was "encouraged by the versatility of the architecture that was planned at the time in which the Giulia was launched. I think it's proved out to be all and more than we expected, and I think its utilization across a wide range of applications within the group is probably the most beneficial thing we've done from a technical development here in a long time."

The Giorgio platform would be stretched and likely widened for use by Dodge in North America for a next-generation Charger and Challenger. It is also rigid enough to allow FCA to potentially return to the convertible market for the first time since it canceled the Chrysler 200 Convertible in 2014.

At the most recent FCA dealer's show in Las Vegas in August 2015, FCA showed a potential future convertible Dodge that it called the Barracuda -- a name borrowed from Plymouth's muscle car past.

Until the switchover to the Giorgio platform, FCA plans to freshen the Charger, Challenger and 300 for the 2018 model year. The three large rear-wheel-drive and all-wheel-drive cars were last updated for the 2015 model year, but Dodge has wrung further sales out of its two offerings with a continued emphasis on specialty trim levels.

For example, for the 2017 model year, Dodge is returning its T/A name to the Challenger for the first time in 46 years, offering three new subtrims that tack new performance parts and appearance upgrades onto the R/T trim lineup.

However, when FCA begins manufacturing the Giorgio-based Dodge cars, it could mean the end of the line for the Chrysler 300 sedan.

Since taking over Chrysler after its 2009 bankruptcy, FCA's executive leadership has consistently eliminated the badge-engineered twinned vehicles that were so common under former owner Daimler AG. Most recently, that has played out with the Jeep Compass, which will replace both the current model Compass and Jeep Patriot when it goes on sale in North America early next year.

Secondo automotive news FCA vorrebe ritardare l´introduzione delle nuove grandi berline del gruppo Chrysler.
Le attuali 300C, Charger e Challenger sono basate sulla vecchissima piattaforma del 2004 ( a sua volta derivante dalla Kl. E del 1995), potrebbe essere cancellata la 300C e le berline e sportive Dodge sarebbero sul pianale Giorgio.

Come avevo previsto (ok non ci voleva molto) Dodge e Chrysler stanno morendo alla velocita´della luce.


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The launch of the Alfa Romeo Stelvio SUV at the Los Angeles motor show this month will kick-start a revival plan for the Italian marque that is mapped out to include up to nine new car launches over the next five years - potentially ushering in a rival for the BMW 5 Series, a flagship large SUV and a new sports car.

Buoyed by the positive early reception for the 3 Series-rivalling Giulia and with the new Giulia-based Stelvio SUV set to be in dealerships in summer 2017, new boss Reid Bigland is crystallising plans to turn around faltering sales figures and re-energise the brand with a dramatic series of new model launches - hinged around the SUV boom - to create substantial sales growth by 2020.

Bigland, a former head of North America for Alfa Romeo and president of the Ram and Dodge brands, was brought in to head up Alfa and Maserati in May this year, with the express goal from Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) group boss Sergio Marchionne of kickstarting Alfa’s latest faltering sales revival. Despite a €5 billion (£4.4bn) investment plan being unveiled in 2014, it was set back by two years after technical problems delayed the launch of the Giulia and investment for growth in key markets such as China was not forthcoming.

“Our goal is absolutely to go toe to toe with the Germans, but that’s not a two-year plan," said Bigland. "We’re just not going to get there that quickly. They’re in every segment and spinning derivatives off those segments.

“Even with the new [Stelvio] SUV, we will only have 50% coverage of the market. We need to pick our strategy and get it right. We have one chance to make the best possible car with every launch.”

The turnaround is much needed but has Marchionne’s backing because it is also potentially highly lucrative. Alfa’s annual sales in the modern era peaked at just over 200,000 cars in 2001 but have since slid dramatically, as the model line-up has contracted and aged, to a current level of barely 60,000.

However, the launch of the Giulia has created a potentially lucrative foothold in the premium brand heartland and the arrival of the Stelvio will drive profits further, because SUVs command a higher price than traditional saloons.

Family of new SUVs

The Stelvio SUV - which is yet to be officially named but which Marchionne referred to by this name 12 months ago under questioning - will be a rival for the likes of the BMW X3 and Audi Q5.

Speaking to Autocar, Bigland refused to be drawn on whether the Stelvio name would make production - the name Kamal has also been strongly rumoured - but he outlined why it will stand out from its rivals.

“The reason people will buy our mid-sized SUV is because they will get blown away by the driving dynamics,” he said.

“Every car Alfa makes must stand apart for that reason. This car will not disappoint.”

It is expected to be pitched as a dynamic competitor to the Jaguar F-Pace and Porsche Macan, priced from around £40,000 and powered by a range of familiar four and six-cylinder diesel and petrol engines. To emphasise the SUV’s sporty credentials, a twin-turbo 2.9-litre V6-powered Quadrofoglio version is being prepared.

Bigland also hinted that a larger SUV is likely to make production as part of Alfa’s five-year plan. “The whole world is gravitating to SUVs,” he said. “A few years ago, an Alfa SUV would have been sacrilegious, but now it makes perfect sense. Our job is to keep an eye on consumer preferences and give people what they want.”



It is understood the large SUV could be based on the same underpinnings as the Maserati Levante and appear in early 2018 as a BMW X5 and Audi Q7 rival. Again, it would be pitched on its dynamic capabilities, which, Bigland conceded, would rule out a utility-focused seven-seater.

“Whatever car Alfa Romeo makes must stand apart for its agility, noise and general driving experience,” he said. “A large SUV can work in that space - the Maserati Levante proves that, but it’s a five not seven-seater.”

The large SUV’s success or otherwise is said to be the fulcrum on which Alfa’s latest revival plan will pivot. That’s because it will be a relatively high-profit car that could underpin future investment in other models and because accelerating growth in the SUV market could prompt Alfa to put off development of a larger saloon than the Giulia.

Asked if an SUV could be Alfa’s halo model, potentially displacing the launch of a 5 Series rival, Bigland said: “Ten years ago I’d have said we need the saloon to credibly take on the Germans. Now, the explosion in SUV sales changes that. I’m not saying we won’t do the saloon, but it might not be next on the list.”

Additionally, one further SUV bodystyle is said to be under consideration, probably for launch at the end of the decade. It could be a coupé version of the Stelvio in the style of the BMW X4, but rumours persist that if the Giulietta hatchback is replaced, a BMW X1 rival would also be spun off the platform.

Expanding the saloon line-up

The next new production model expected after the Stelvio is tipped to be a Giulia estate. It is set to be revealed at the 2017 Geneva motor show and insiders say the design team has been charged with prioritising a sporty look over a need for class-leading luggage space. However, it will not be as dramatically proportioned as the Alfa 159 Sportswagon, which had less boot space than the saloon in certain seat configurations. Benchmarking is reported to have centred on the BMW 3 Series Touring.



Less clear is whether Alfa will launch a 5 Series rival. It is talked about internally as the Alfa Romeo Alfetta as a nod to the saloon and fastback of the 1970s and 1980s, and launch plans are said to have been drawn up to an advanced stage.

However, Bigland and other Alfa officials are said to be nervous that the rise in SUV sales and declining saloon sales - especially in larger segments - make the development costs of such a car untenable. The cost of reworking the Giulia’s Giorgio platform to fit the car are said to be substantial.

“The segment size and profitability are not what they were,” said Bigland. “The discounting in those segments is brutal now, even among the established players. The market size is also interesting. It’s holding at the moment, but at the cost of profitability. For anything other than an SUV, the value proposition is increasingly challenging.”

The likelihood of producing the Alfetta is also likely to hinge on Chinese market growth. Alfa has little brand presence there but has previously targeted ambitious growth in the region. Today, large saloons are highly prized in China, although that trend is again shifting towards a preference for SUVs.

Alfa’s Golf beater

Alfa bosses are said to have given the green light to a successor to the relatively high-volume-selling Giulietta because of the segment’s ongoing success in Europe and its growing popularity in the US and Chinese markets. However, its launch is said to be at least three years away and possibly more. An estate derivative is also expected.



Insiders suggest the delay in replacing the current car — which was launched in 2010 and accounted for around two-thirds of all Alfa sales in Europe prior to the Giulia’s arrival — centres on a debate over whether to significantly upgrade the current front-wheel drive platform or to modify the Giulia’s Giorgio rear-drive platform.

“The Giorgio platform is capable, but it will depend on customer requirements,” said Bigland. “How many rear-drive cars are there in that segment? It’s a dying breed. To do it would mark us out as different, but we need to look very deeply at what the market is asking for.”

Although the Giorgio architecture was designed to be flexible, the costs of re-engineering it are said to be potentially prohibitively high. Even so, Alfa bosses are believed to prefer this option because it will be in line with the brand’s claims to make driverfocused cars and will allow them to charge a higher price for the car. A final decision on which route to take has been delayed for at least 12 months in the hope that Giulia and Stelvio sales will justify making the extra investment.

Successor to the Brera

Despite the SUV focus in the launch plans, Bigland and his leadership team are acutely aware of how far their plans take Alfa from its sports car roots. They also realise that they risk undermining their core claim of making the sportiest cars in each segment they enter if they do not have a sports car in the range.

The former management team is said to have been content with the decision to switch the firm’s Mazda MX-5 spin-off from being Alfa to being the Fiat 124 Spider. However, a development team is said to be working on a modern reinterpretation of the Alfa Brera, which ceased production in 2010 and struggled to make much impact on the market after being criticised for being underpowered and overweight.

The new car will be sold in coupé and spider forms but will not go on sale until at least 2020. Insiders say Alfa’s management know that the car, which will sit on the same platform as the Giulia, must be visually and dynamically stunning but balance that ambition against relatively tiny sales in the segment and the fact that, in just over five years, fewer than 35,000 Breras were sold.

The launch of such a car would almost certainly raise questions over the need to replace the 4C sports car.

What next for the Mito?

The future of Alfa’s supermini hangs in the balance. The current model has been on sale since 2008, albeit with several significant upgrades, and its peak sales year of 62,000 units in Europe was in 2009. Fewer than 14,000 Mitos were sold last year, albeit accounting for around a quarter of all Alfa sales. Also against the Mito is the fact that superminis are centred on Europe, despite some uplift in the US and very limited uptake in Asia, and profit margins are, at best, slim.

Alfa could lean on Fiat for a low-cost way of staying in the market, but its premium ambitions make producing the Mito unlikely in the long term.

Bigland refused to be drawn on its future. “Arguably, the Mito doesn’t play a role outside Europe, but it continues to make a valuable contribution to Europe, so we’re looking to continue to improve it,” he said.

An uphill battle — as always

Despite the new model plans, Alfa faces a huge uphill battle to meet sales targets and gather the momentum — and profits — to drive this offensive.

The original 2014 growth plan called for sales to rise by around 800% within four years to around 400,000 vehicles a year — around the size of Land Rover now (and more than twice the size of Jaguar).

Even with the launch in the US being rolled out at pace — there are 145 Alfa dealers in the US now, with plans for 200 by the end of next year and around 280 eventually — that market is expected to account for only 150,000 sales a year initially.

European growth is expected to take annual sales in the region beyond 150,000 units, but that still leaves Alfa needing to establish itself in the Asian — and especially Chinese — markets quickly and effectively, to the tune of 80,000-100,000 annual sales.

Alfa also faces the challenge of developing plug-in hybrid powertrains, which will be crucial for the ongoing sales success of its SUVs in the US especially, and eventually developing a structured pure electric strategy.

Although Alfa will be able to draw on established FCA dealerships and sales structures in emerging markets and FCA developed technology, the size of the challenge it faces to grow the momentum started by the Giulia remains huge.

Da autocar.
La rivista britannica prefigura un futuro per Alfa con ben nove novità in 5 anni.
Oltre a Stelvio e Giulia sarebbero pronte ad essere approvate un c-suv, un E-suv a 5 posti ed un'erede della 166.


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The launch of the Alfa Romeo Stelvio SUV at the Los Angeles motor show this month will kick-start a revival plan for the Italian marque that is mapped out to include up to nine new car launches over the next five years - potentially ushering in a rival for the BMW 5 Series, a flagship large SUV and a new sports car.

Buoyed by the positive early reception for the 3 Series-rivalling Giulia and with the new Giulia-based Stelvio SUV set to be in dealerships in summer 2017, new boss Reid Bigland is crystallising plans to turn around faltering sales figures and re-energise the brand with a dramatic series of new model launches - hinged around the SUV boom - to create substantial sales growth by 2020.

Bigland, a former head of North America for Alfa Romeo and president of the Ram and Dodge brands, was brought in to head up Alfa and Maserati in May this year, with the express goal from Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) group boss Sergio Marchionne of kickstarting Alfa’s latest faltering sales revival. Despite a €5 billion (£4.4bn) investment plan being unveiled in 2014, it was set back by two years after technical problems delayed the launch of the Giulia and investment for growth in key markets such as China was not forthcoming.

“Our goal is absolutely to go toe to toe with the Germans, but that’s not a two-year plan," said Bigland. "We’re just not going to get there that quickly. They’re in every segment and spinning derivatives off those segments.

“Even with the new [Stelvio] SUV, we will only have 50% coverage of the market. We need to pick our strategy and get it right. We have one chance to make the best possible car with every launch.”

The turnaround is much needed but has Marchionne’s backing because it is also potentially highly lucrative. Alfa’s annual sales in the modern era peaked at just over 200,000 cars in 2001 but have since slid dramatically, as the model line-up has contracted and aged, to a current level of barely 60,000.

However, the launch of the Giulia has created a potentially lucrative foothold in the premium brand heartland and the arrival of the Stelvio will drive profits further, because SUVs command a higher price than traditional saloons.

Family of new SUVs

The Stelvio SUV - which is yet to be officially named but which Marchionne referred to by this name 12 months ago under questioning - will be a rival for the likes of the BMW X3 and Audi Q5.

Speaking to Autocar, Bigland refused to be drawn on whether the Stelvio name would make production - the name Kamal has also been strongly rumoured - but he outlined why it will stand out from its rivals.

“The reason people will buy our mid-sized SUV is because they will get blown away by the driving dynamics,” he said.

“Every car Alfa makes must stand apart for that reason. This car will not disappoint.”

It is expected to be pitched as a dynamic competitor to the Jaguar F-Pace and Porsche Macan, priced from around £40,000 and powered by a range of familiar four and six-cylinder diesel and petrol engines. To emphasise the SUV’s sporty credentials, a twin-turbo 2.9-litre V6-powered Quadrofoglio version is being prepared.

Bigland also hinted that a larger SUV is likely to make production as part of Alfa’s five-year plan. “The whole world is gravitating to SUVs,” he said. “A few years ago, an Alfa SUV would have been sacrilegious, but now it makes perfect sense. Our job is to keep an eye on consumer preferences and give people what they want.”



It is understood the large SUV could be based on the same underpinnings as the Maserati Levante and appear in early 2018 as a BMW X5 and Audi Q7 rival. Again, it would be pitched on its dynamic capabilities, which, Bigland conceded, would rule out a utility-focused seven-seater.

“Whatever car Alfa Romeo makes must stand apart for its agility, noise and general driving experience,” he said. “A large SUV can work in that space - the Maserati Levante proves that, but it’s a five not seven-seater.”

The large SUV’s success or otherwise is said to be the fulcrum on which Alfa’s latest revival plan will pivot. That’s because it will be a relatively high-profit car that could underpin future investment in other models and because accelerating growth in the SUV market could prompt Alfa to put off development of a larger saloon than the Giulia.

Asked if an SUV could be Alfa’s halo model, potentially displacing the launch of a 5 Series rival, Bigland said: “Ten years ago I’d have said we need the saloon to credibly take on the Germans. Now, the explosion in SUV sales changes that. I’m not saying we won’t do the saloon, but it might not be next on the list.”

Additionally, one further SUV bodystyle is said to be under consideration, probably for launch at the end of the decade. It could be a coupé version of the Stelvio in the style of the BMW X4, but rumours persist that if the Giulietta hatchback is replaced, a BMW X1 rival would also be spun off the platform.

Expanding the saloon line-up

The next new production model expected after the Stelvio is tipped to be a Giulia estate. It is set to be revealed at the 2017 Geneva motor show and insiders say the design team has been charged with prioritising a sporty look over a need for class-leading luggage space. However, it will not be as dramatically proportioned as the Alfa 159 Sportswagon, which had less boot space than the saloon in certain seat configurations. Benchmarking is reported to have centred on the BMW 3 Series Touring.



Less clear is whether Alfa will launch a 5 Series rival. It is talked about internally as the Alfa Romeo Alfetta as a nod to the saloon and fastback of the 1970s and 1980s, and launch plans are said to have been drawn up to an advanced stage.

However, Bigland and other Alfa officials are said to be nervous that the rise in SUV sales and declining saloon sales - especially in larger segments - make the development costs of such a car untenable. The cost of reworking the Giulia’s Giorgio platform to fit the car are said to be substantial.

“The segment size and profitability are not what they were,” said Bigland. “The discounting in those segments is brutal now, even among the established players. The market size is also interesting. It’s holding at the moment, but at the cost of profitability. For anything other than an SUV, the value proposition is increasingly challenging.”

The likelihood of producing the Alfetta is also likely to hinge on Chinese market growth. Alfa has little brand presence there but has previously targeted ambitious growth in the region. Today, large saloons are highly prized in China, although that trend is again shifting towards a preference for SUVs.

Alfa’s Golf beater

Alfa bosses are said to have given the green light to a successor to the relatively high-volume-selling Giulietta because of the segment’s ongoing success in Europe and its growing popularity in the US and Chinese markets. However, its launch is said to be at least three years away and possibly more. An estate derivative is also expected.



Insiders suggest the delay in replacing the current car — which was launched in 2010 and accounted for around two-thirds of all Alfa sales in Europe prior to the Giulia’s arrival — centres on a debate over whether to significantly upgrade the current front-wheel drive platform or to modify the Giulia’s Giorgio rear-drive platform.

“The Giorgio platform is capable, but it will depend on customer requirements,” said Bigland. “How many rear-drive cars are there in that segment? It’s a dying breed. To do it would mark us out as different, but we need to look very deeply at what the market is asking for.”

Although the Giorgio architecture was designed to be flexible, the costs of re-engineering it are said to be potentially prohibitively high. Even so, Alfa bosses are believed to prefer this option because it will be in line with the brand’s claims to make driverfocused cars and will allow them to charge a higher price for the car. A final decision on which route to take has been delayed for at least 12 months in the hope that Giulia and Stelvio sales will justify making the extra investment.

Successor to the Brera

Despite the SUV focus in the launch plans, Bigland and his leadership team are acutely aware of how far their plans take Alfa from its sports car roots. They also realise that they risk undermining their core claim of making the sportiest cars in each segment they enter if they do not have a sports car in the range.

The former management team is said to have been content with the decision to switch the firm’s Mazda MX-5 spin-off from being Alfa to being the Fiat 124 Spider. However, a development team is said to be working on a modern reinterpretation of the Alfa Brera, which ceased production in 2010 and struggled to make much impact on the market after being criticised for being underpowered and overweight.

The new car will be sold in coupé and spider forms but will not go on sale until at least 2020. Insiders say Alfa’s management know that the car, which will sit on the same platform as the Giulia, must be visually and dynamically stunning but balance that ambition against relatively tiny sales in the segment and the fact that, in just over five years, fewer than 35,000 Breras were sold.

The launch of such a car would almost certainly raise questions over the need to replace the 4C sports car.

What next for the Mito?

The future of Alfa’s supermini hangs in the balance. The current model has been on sale since 2008, albeit with several significant upgrades, and its peak sales year of 62,000 units in Europe was in 2009. Fewer than 14,000 Mitos were sold last year, albeit accounting for around a quarter of all Alfa sales. Also against the Mito is the fact that superminis are centred on Europe, despite some uplift in the US and very limited uptake in Asia, and profit margins are, at best, slim.

Alfa could lean on Fiat for a low-cost way of staying in the market, but its premium ambitions make producing the Mito unlikely in the long term.

Bigland refused to be drawn on its future. “Arguably, the Mito doesn’t play a role outside Europe, but it continues to make a valuable contribution to Europe, so we’re looking to continue to improve it,” he said.

An uphill battle — as always

Despite the new model plans, Alfa faces a huge uphill battle to meet sales targets and gather the momentum — and profits — to drive this offensive.

The original 2014 growth plan called for sales to rise by around 800% within four years to around 400,000 vehicles a year — around the size of Land Rover now (and more than twice the size of Jaguar).

Even with the launch in the US being rolled out at pace — there are 145 Alfa dealers in the US now, with plans for 200 by the end of next year and around 280 eventually — that market is expected to account for only 150,000 sales a year initially.

European growth is expected to take annual sales in the region beyond 150,000 units, but that still leaves Alfa needing to establish itself in the Asian — and especially Chinese — markets quickly and effectively, to the tune of 80,000-100,000 annual sales.

Alfa also faces the challenge of developing plug-in hybrid powertrains, which will be crucial for the ongoing sales success of its SUVs in the US especially, and eventually developing a structured pure electric strategy.

Although Alfa will be able to draw on established FCA dealerships and sales structures in emerging markets and FCA developed technology, the size of the challenge it faces to grow the momentum started by the Giulia remains huge.

Da autocar.
La rivista britannica prefigura un futuro per Alfa con ben nove novità in 5 anni.
Oltre a Stelvio e Giulia sarebbero pronte ad essere approvate un c-suv, un E-suv a 5 posti ed un'erede della 166.

Una di queste è già stata sbloccata....ci lavoravano già 2 anni fa prima del blocco di set 2015

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MessaggioInviato: sab nov 12, 2016 8:52 pm 
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Il problema è la prossima Giulietta, de facto la piattaforma C-evo è stata abbandonata piuttosto in fretta sull'altare dell'insuccesso della Dart e della 200, eppure il gruppo FCA potrebbe vendere ben più di un milione di auto su un pianale C-D.
Strategicamente Marchionne sta lasciando dei buchi molto grandi e la ricercata alleanza con Gm o con altri aveva motivi molto importanti.


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MessaggioInviato: dom nov 13, 2016 8:50 am 
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Il problema è la prossima Giulietta, de facto la piattaforma C-evo è stata abbandonata piuttosto in fretta sull'altare dell'insuccesso della Darti.


Infatti puntano su altro....peccato perché Giulietta in Italia garantisce buoni numeri e se fatta bene lì garantirebbe non solo in Italia, farla a tp vorrebbe dire investirci poco, condividerebbe molto con Giulia, ma guadagni zero. Ciao t

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MessaggioInviato: dom nov 13, 2016 9:12 am 
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Non è solo la Giulietta, nell'ambito del gruppo sono diversi i modelli che hanno bisogno di una base C-D tra cui Dodge Journey ( si parla di base Giorgio e produzione in Italia), Jeep Cherockee, eredi 200 e Dart, Chrysler crossover ( non si sa quando arriverà ).
Come al solito Maglionne agisce pensando al breve termine, è anche vero che tra circa 1 anno lui non sarà più a capo di FCA.


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FCA taps the brakes on big-ticket trucks
Grand Wagoneer, redesigned Ram heavy-duty pickup delayed
December 12, 2016 @ 12:01 am
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Fiat Chrysler dealers will have to wait a bit longer for two highly anticipated big-ticket vehicles: a fully redesigned Ram heavy-duty pickup and a luxury SUV for Jeep, the Grand Wagoneer.

Sources told Automotive News that FCA's Ram brand will not redesign its current heavy-duty pickups onto its new DT pickup platform in 2018 but instead will keep the same body-in-white and refresh the existing DS-based model.

Meanwhile, the automaker has placed a hold on its development of the Jeep Grand Wagoneer luxury SUV, supplier sources say. The vehicle has been on Jeep's product plan since 2014 and was to boast three rows of seats and a six-figure price tag.

It is unknown why these actions on important products for FCA's two most profitable brands are taking place; FCA has refused to comment.

The automaker is in a financial race to erase nearly $7 billion in net debt that was on its books at the end of the third quarter. CEO Sergio Marchionne has said he plans to retire in 2018 and wants to leave the global automaker generating billions of dollars in free cash flow annually.

To do that, the company is, in part, undergoing a major revamp of its North American manufacturing footprint in order to build more Jeep and Ram SUVs and pickups and fewer slow-selling sedans. It has also spent billions of dollars to resurrect the Alfa Romeo premium sport brand, introducing a new Giulia sedan and Stelvio crossover, neither of which is on sale yet in the U.S.

Through the first nine months of 2016, FCA said it had generated $1.49 billion in global profits.

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Delaying or abandoning its plan for what FCA called in 2014 a "major update" of its heavy-duty Ram 2500 and 3500 pickups in 2018 will save FCA money on a changeover of its heavy-duty pickup plant in Saltillo, Mexico. Saltillo is FCA's only heavy-duty pickup factory, so keeping the current truck going with only a freshening will also ensure that Ram heavy-duty pickups remain available to dealers in an uninterrupted supply.

But the delay will also leave the Ram 2500s and 3500s with a significantly older design than their heavy-duty competitors from top rivals Ford and General Motors. Ford, for example, just redesigned its heavy-duty pickups this year, boasting improved towing capabilities and better fuel economy.

In its five-year business plan presented in May 2014, Ram had forecast what it called a "major update" for its heavy-duty pickups and chassis cabs in 2018. FCA has since dramatically altered its business strategy, abandoning U.S. production of low-profit cars to focus primarily on building more pickups and SUVs, taking advantage of sweeping changes in consumer preferences.

The DS-based Ram 2500 and 3500 pickups were first introduced in 2010. They have been refreshed to various degrees in the intervening years, expanding their capabilities amid a customer base that is about 75 percent commercial, according to the brand's 2014 business plan.

FCA reports combined sales of light-duty and heavy-duty Ram pickups each month, and said in 2014 that about a quarter of the brand's pickup sales are heavy-duty models. Through November, Ram pickup sales are up 8.1 percent.


Delaying plan for Ram updates in 2018 will save FCA changeover costs in Saltillo, Mexico.
'$140,000 Jeep'

The development hold on the Jeep Grand Wagoneer is surprising in part because FCA executives have been unusually forthcoming about the vehicle compared with the company's usual practice of refusing to comment on future product plans.

In late June, Jeep brand head Mike Manley told reporters that the Grand Wagoneer would push the premium boundaries of the SUV brand. He elaborated at the Paris auto show, telling reporters that pushing the Grand Wagoneer "up to $130,000 to $140,000 may be possible."

The Grand Wagoneer was initially scheduled to be launched in 2018 but was pushed back last year to 2019 so the vehicle could be co-developed with the next-generation Jeep Grand Cherokee, Marchionne said last year.

The key to the Grand Wagoneer's most recent delay may lay in the constraints FCA is under with its North American manufacturing plants and the company's ongoing product shift away from passenger vehicles.

During its negotiations with the UAW in 2015, FCA unveiled a product plan that called for the unibody Grand Wagoneer to be built at the company's Warren Truck Assembly plant, after that plant's product, the Ram 1500 pickup, was redesigned and moved to the nearby Sterling Heights Assembly plant.

But building the Grand Wagoneer at Warren would require the plant to be completely retooled from body-on-frame assembly to unibody assembly. That's a large added expense for an automaker already paying to retool two unibody assembly lines at Sterling Heights and in Toledo, Ohio, in 2017 to body-on-frame production.

FCA already builds a three-row crossover -- the Dodge Durango -- off of the current Jeep Grand Cherokee platform at its Jefferson North Assembly plant in Detroit. That plant's capacity is already maxed out, however, meaning FCA could not easily add another product there without incurring major expenses or disruptive production changes.

Prior to being run by Fiat, Jeep produced a three-row, high-end SUV off of the Grand Cherokee platform, the Jeep Commander. It did not sell well, suffering in part because its third-row seating lacked sufficient legroom. Marchionne hated the Commander as well, telling reporters in 2011: "That car was unfit for human consumption. We sold some, but I don't know why people bought them."



Secondo autonews FCA avrebbe bloccato lo sviluppo della nuova RAM e della Grand Wagoneer, mi sembrerebbe molto strano, sono tra i modelli più redditizi.
Forse devono ancora completare il processo di trasformazione produttiva di diverse fabbriche negli USA che passeranno dalle berline ai trucks.


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Ho parlato un pò con alcuni amici in FCA.
Dopo un periodo in cui sembrava che proprio la parte Chrysler avesse preso il sopravvento e decidessero tutto loro, ultimamente un pò di orgoglio sabaudo ha fatto capolino e qualche top Manager è tornato ad essere espressione della parte Fiat dell'azienda.
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Se noti l'andamento dei conti economici di FCA divisi per regione la cosiddetta EMEA ( Europe, Africa e medio oriente) si è ripresa ed è in attivo mentre il sud America è in passivo a causa della crisi brasiliana e l'area Asia-Pacific sta dando meno soddisfazioni del previsto.
Quindi Maglionne e soci stanno dando più fondi e attenzione alla negletta Fiat Europe.


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E io che pensavo ad un pochino di orgoglio nostrano...

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Se noti l'andamento dei conti economici di FCA divisi per regione la cosiddetta EMEA ( Europe, Africa e medio oriente) si è ripresa ed è in attivo mentre il sud America è in passivo a causa della crisi brasiliana e l'area Asia-Pacific sta dando meno soddisfazioni del previsto.
Quindi Maglionne e soci stanno dando più fondi e attenzione alla negletta Fiat Europe.


Sicuro che siccome c'è un minimo di ripresa guardano un pò più qui, ma ricordo che fino a 4 anni fa....ad esempio sembrava sicuro che le nuove alfa sarebbero state progettate in Usa....invece già in piena crisi eu nel 2013 avevano deciso di progettarle qui

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Today’s Jeep Grand Cherokee was split at birth from Mercedes-Benz’s mid-size M-class (now named GLE-class), the two SUVs having shared a development path years ago during the DaimlerChrysler era. With Daimler long out of the picture and the now seven-year-old Jeep Grand Cherokee aging—quite gracefully, we might add—Fiat Chrysler must begin work on a replacement. But what platform to use? At the Detroit auto show, the automaker’s CEO, Sergio Marchionne, told us the next Grand Cherokee will borrow components from Alfa Romeo. Specifically, the next Grand Cherokee is to be spun off Alfa Romeo rear-drive chassis architecture. Although Marchionne didn’t elaborate much, we’re assuming he was talking about the same bones that form the basis for the Giulia sedan and the upcoming Stelvio SUV. They also happen to comprise Fiat Chrysler’s freshest rear-drive-based component set, the longitudinal drive layout being a virtual requirement for the traditional four-wheel-drive equipment (including a two-speed transfer case with low-range gearing) that the Grand Cherokee is guaranteed to offer. The news isn’t a surprise, but it is illuminating about Fiat Chrysler’s thinking on economies of scale and platform sharing among its numerous brands.
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We expect that, like the current model, the new Grand Cherokee will feature a fortified unibody (so it won’t be just a tall Giulia/rebodied Stelvio), a fully independent suspension, and V-6 and V-8 engine choices. Rear-wheel drive will be standard, as it is today, and a range of four-wheel-drive systems will be available. Again, expect the hard-core versions to boast low-range gearing and locking differentials to preserve Jeep’s off-road credibility. Eventually, the Grand Cherokee also will form the basis for a larger three-row Grand Wagoneer SUV, although that model won’t arrive until 2020 or 2021.
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La prossima Grand Cherockee prevista per il 2018 utilizzerà come base il pianale Giorgio dell Stelvio, è una rivoluzione dato che dovrà perdere alcune caratteristiche fuoristradistiche.


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La prossima Grand Cherockee prevista per il 2018 utilizzerà come base il pianale Giorgio dell Stelvio, è una rivoluzione dato che dovrà perdere alcune caratteristiche fuoristradistiche.


Chissà se la 964 alfa sarà su base giorgio o una levante ricarrozzata, dovrei informarmi, quindi grand cherokee automobilistica e wagoneer sarà una vera jeep, ossia wrangler ricarozzata?

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La Grand Cherokee però è davvero un pianto su strada: serve davvero tutta questa capacità off-road, a fronte di una guida da camion?
Se con l'Xc90 mi sembra di guidare (e di avere l'agilità di) un condominio, questa è la reggia di Versailles su ruote...

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La Grand Cherokee però è davvero un pianto su strada: serve davvero tutta questa capacità off-road, a fronte di una guida da camion?
Se con l'Xc90 mi sembra di guidare (e di avere l'agilità di) un condominio, questa è la reggia di Versailles su ruote...


Non serve.. solo che rispetto alla concorrenza è oltre il vecchio.


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Potrebbero fare come già fatto per la Cherokee, ovvero sfornare un prodotto che su strada si muova con un minimo di agilità e non pesi 18tonnellate, conservando magari una versione TrailHawk con specifiche capacità fuoristradistiche (così i puristi non gridano allo scandalo).

Alla fine le dure&pure come Land Cruiser e Pajero ormai sono state sbranate, in termini di vendite, da mezzi ben più godibili su strada..

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Potrebbero fare come già fatto per la Cherokee, ovvero sfornare un prodotto che su strada si muova con un minimo di agilità e non pesi 18tonnellate, conservando magari una versione TrailHawk con specifiche capacità fuoristradistiche (così i puristi non gridano allo scandalo).

Alla fine le dure&pure come Land Cruiser e Pajero ormai sono state sbranate, in termini di vendite, da mezzi ben più godibili su strada..


Infatti...poi se torna la wagoneer sono a cavallo :D :D se non ho capito male sarà una vera jeep ossia la prossima wrangler ricarrozzata....

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La prossima Grand Cherockee prevista per il 2018 utilizzerà come base il pianale Giorgio dell Stelvio, è una rivoluzione dato che dovrà perdere alcune caratteristiche fuoristradistiche.


Chissà se la 964 alfa sarà su base giorgio o una levante ricarrozzata, dovrei informarmi, quindi grand cherokee automobilistica e wagoneer sarà una vera jeep, ossia wrangler ricarozzata?



Esattamente, inizialmente la Wagoneer doveva essere una suv a 7 posti derivata dalla Grand Cherockee, adesso i piani sono completamente cambiati, Giorgio dovrebbe essere la base per Cherockee, Grand Cherockee, Journey, future 300 e Charger, molto probabilmente le prossime quattroporte e Ghibli.
Rimane il problema del segmento C, o trovano un alleato in fretta oppure dovranno provare ad allungare di nuovo il B-Wide.


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Esattamente, inizialmente la Wagoneer doveva essere una suv a 7 posti derivata dalla Grand Cherockee, adesso i piani sono completamente cambiati, Giorgio dovrebbe essere la base per Cherockee, Grand Cherockee, Journey, future 300 e Charger, molto probabilmente le prossime quattroporte e Ghibli.
Rimane il problema del segmento C, o trovano un alleato in fretta oppure dovranno provare ad allungare di nuovo il B-Wide.


A parte journey direi scelta ottima....per il segmento C teoricamente avrebbe un pianale da sviluppare migliore del B-wide e in ogni caso se vogliono fare qualcosa di premiumm la "componentistica" legata al pianale di 500x,renegade,compass è tutta da rifare.

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È quello il problema strategico, Giorgio è un pianale costoso e difficilmente potrà essere utilizzato per i veicoli compatti, il B-Wide è ormai stravecchio e non è adattabile ai plug in e propulsioni elettriche.


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Non avevano il C-coso, quello della Giulietta?

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È quello il problema strategico, Giorgio è un pianale costoso e difficilmente potrà essere utilizzato per i veicoli compatti, il B-Wide è ormai stravecchio e non è adattabile ai plug in e propulsioni elettriche.


Trattasi anche di cose più "spicciole" ma costosissime tipo defroster, nuovi comandi, integrazioni di sistemi di ausilio alla giuda o 5 stelle crash....

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Lo abbbiamo già detto che la mito (o sua sostituta) è stata cancellata?


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Lo abbbiamo già detto che la mito (o sua sostituta) è stata cancellata?


Mai stata prevista....chissà se poi con l'abbandono del C-evo la prox segmento C alfa non sarà alla fine una mito più lunga a 5porte o una mito alta...alias500x....vedremo.

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Lo abbbiamo già detto che la mito (o sua sostituta) è stata cancellata?


Mai stata prevista....chissà se poi con l'abbandono del C-evo la prox segmento C alfa non sarà alla fine una mito più lunga a 5porte o una mito alta...alias500x....vedremo.


"sotto dimensione giulietta... nulla". (la traduzione del mio post) :allegria


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Il C-Evo è così obsoleto?


Era un rifacimento pesante del pianale dell'ultima Bravo, il quale a sua volta dovrebbe essere identico a quello della stilo; in pratica come base risale al 2001, di per sè non vecchissimo, ma nemmeno moderno. Bisogna vedere quanto siano stati sostanziosi gli interventi sul pianale Stilo per renderlo C-Evo


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Lo abbbiamo già detto che la mito (o sua sostituta) è stata cancellata?


Mai stata prevista....chissà se poi con l'abbandono del C-evo la prox segmento C alfa non sarà alla fine una mito più lunga a 5porte o una mito alta...alias500x....vedremo.


"sotto dimensione giulietta... nulla". (la traduzione del mio post) :allegria


Sono talmente coglioni da non essere capaci di prendere un Renegade/500X, ricarrozzarlo Alfa e proporlo come B-suv


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Lo abbbiamo già detto che la mito (o sua sostituta) è stata cancellata?


Mai stata prevista....chissà se poi con l'abbandono del C-evo la prox segmento C alfa non sarà alla fine una mito più lunga a 5porte o una mito alta...alias500x....vedremo.


"sotto dimensione giulietta... nulla". (la traduzione del mio post) :allegria


Infatti dal B evo puoi fare anche auto sui 435-440, o 460 come topo sw :D , il c evo di giulietta in se per ora sembra meglio al crash ma ora come ora non hanno altre auto su cui usarlo.

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